The budgeting software that forever changed our budgeting is called YNAB (pronounced “why-nab”), short for You Need A Budget. Related to personal finance, budgeting, money and financial matters. bevocat I thought SodaStream stopped making their version of Zero. Tomato Cobra There is a Quick Budget option to budget the same amount as the previous month. this is one area where EveryDollar’s approach differs than YNAB’s. The month thing is something you should aspire to, not something that just happens right away. Budget the required monthly amount to a Home Furnishing Debt category and record the payment as a categorized transfer from checking to the tracking account. This is how YNAB helps you avoid debt: it tells you “You spent some An extreme example could be, you've been saving to buy something and finally decide not to buy it. (How that debt came to be is immaterial at this point.). Yes it surprised me too. Or option C -- the recommended approach -- you reallocate from a lower priority category making your budget a more accurate reflection of your priorities. As for the whole ‘easy to forget’ thing. Your grocery category is now a red -$10. For example, you buy a couch for $600 on installment over the next 6 months. That way, you have 100% of the cash for the whole month on the first of the month. And so forth.) Perhaps, I just need to get over it, but I'd like to find an effective way to budget my money by pay cycle that doesn't make me feel anxious in the process. I read this in the help docs: If your category had been overspent in cash (negative red Available), that amount will be deducted from To be Budgeted in the new month. Whether you want to move on from a starter budget, your life and priorities have changed, your (ahem) budgeting habits went south, or you just want a new view of your money (old budgets can be full of old habits, after all), try a Fresh Start. If it's credit card overspending, add funds to the category if you can before the end of the month. "budgeting every dollar") as you are paid really appeals to me and I thought that's what I was going to be able to do effectively with YNAB. YNAB does not carry over that overspending to the new month -- that money has been spent. You could even enter the $100 as a scheduled/recurring outflow to save some effort. The YNAB version I used when getting started did not have goals. The Available amounts are the numbers that will guide your spending. If the month hasn't rolled over yet, you can budget an additional $10 to the spending category, and it will move automatically to the card payment category. I assume this is on your normal CC. YNAB will do that for you with their end of the month rollover handling by taking it out of TBB (cash overspending) or not increasing available payment to credit card (CC overspending). Let's say at the start of the month you are planning on spending $50 on eating out and $100 on groceries and you start with $0 in Available in both categories. Again, this is a last resort autocorrection to keep people from lying to themselves about their budgets. When you overspend with a credit card, you've racked up some additional debt - though no actual cash has left your budget or accounts. If it's a category with an upcoming transaction, add funds when you can before the transaction date, and if it's cash-based (e.g. As for 'YNAB Methodology' - the previous version did let you carry over negative balances, and it worked fine. So there is a negative medical balance at the end of last month, and now there is too much in medical expenses for this month. I'm mad that Coke Zero changed their formula and now it tastes exactly like generic Coke Zero, which isn't good enough for me (don't get me wrong; I'm the generic queen, but this and Charmin are my two exceptions!). (Is that a word?) What am I missing? Yet it promotes the idea that your frequency of pay doesn't matter. Additionally, not everything has an expense report to track amounts (e.g., between friends) and reimbursements aren't always paid without some prodding. That is great, but in budgeting it is important to be able to look back to improve a budget and analyze the results of our budgeting. There has to be a better way to track quarterly installment payments. If I were using envelopes, I'd know how much I budgeted when I look at the label on the envelope. Releasing the money in July in order to budget it to the exact same category in August is unnecessary. Faness at YNAB Got it - thanks so much! I haven't seen it in a couple years. You rock. Your main menu is on the left side of the screen. YNAB has another option, though. But I have PIF cards, a buffer, EF and I'm not on the edge. I record the money as ‘work, to be repaid’. There needs to be options like in the toolkit, but more fundamental functionality. As before, no splitting across months. You have to have the budgeted column because it's an easy way to input how much you are adding or subtracting from the envelope. Because that is what is happening in the real world. It's great at forecasting, it's not very good at tracking. The Red Arrow in YNAB4 actually was a violation of the method and that's why it was eliminated in the new version. Ceeses  I'm just trying to follow the YNAB approach and it seems like they put the budgeted amount front and center. I want YNAB to allow me to go over and under a budgeted figure per category, month to month, like it used to, without me having to adjust figures up and down all the time. Baldylocks If the category has a goal or scheduled transaction attached to it, that can impact the color. After all, those dollars are truly gone from the budget. You can leave the overspend alone, or you can “turn the arrow to the right”. If you want a forecasting/tracking budget system, there are a lot of tools out there that will do that for you... and some of them are even free. It’s an exhilarating feeling, really. The envelope label doesn't change to $0 when the month changes. You can build up debt and 'lie to yourself' about your budget there, no problem. I don't see why this isn't more clear, why there wouldn't be a "Move To Current Month" type function. This inconsistency leads to errors. Why have it at all in the interface? But it is not doing this. The option you're looking for is the Quick Budget feature! Well, you decide you will eat cheap rice + beans for the rest of the month and can simply use some groceries money to go out. In this case, I think it's easiest to leave the initial purchase out of YNAB. It won't track how you've increased wealth or decreased debt. There just isn’t any difficulty about it. Am I missing something/ Like Follow 3. WordTenor Thanks for that - it's a workaround for sure. Marketing Guy | Musician | Empath | Enthusiast, a category with a scheduled outflow that doesn't yet have enough to cover the outflow, I have the honor to be your obedient servant. My objective is the same as the rather cumbersome lifting of those dollars out from last month (July), placing them in the TBB basket, scrolling to this month (August) and placing them back in the categories. I buy Squirt mix-ins (for regular water bottles) on Amazon and use two per liter pre-disolved in 1/4 cup of warm water. Every dollar needs a (single) job to do, and carrying over overspending means the money in your actual accounts has to do multiple jobs: do whatever you've assigned them to do… You will enter 50 in eating out and 100 in groceries. I get paid at the end of the month, and following the YNAB rules, I give every dollar a job by answering the question "what do I need this money to do before I get paid again?" As you can see from the envelope system, you can only buy something when you have enough in the envelope to buy it, the amount you put in each month is irrelevant to whether you can buy something or not. How much from each? When those red flags start appearing it causes great anxiety for me. When the month rolls over, the spending category goes back to zero. I take that back, apparently I haven't looked at the details in a while (we've only had it since the spring). YNAB4 made you treat cc spending like cash spending, and you had to deliberately adjust your budget in order to carry debt. Follow YNAB to get support and lots of great ideas on budgeting, YNAB converted the whole overspend into credit card debt when the month rolled over. Usually,  the best way is the envelope analogy. There is no need to reassign the funds in August. Like. And you need to know what to do in your budget when it does!IMPORTANT! Most of us just included amount or date reminders in the category names. Like how budgeting is done commercially. It seems like a case of YNAB thinking they know exactly how everyone should run their finances, rather than providing flexible tools so we can run them as we see fit. Green Cup When you overspend using your credit card, the category goes orange and negative, and as much money as possible is moved to the card payment category. As a result, I have in past months attempted to estimate the amounts needed in each category for those few days at the end of the month after I get paid and then budget the rest into the next month, but this split budgeting requires extra effort that is inevitably inaccurate. They don't put the budgeted number front and center. You can either just ignore any overages and underages, and keep the same budget for the next month, or you can carry over the surplus or deficit into the next month. I have a paper envelope, identified as clothing spending. You can't spend $100 on gas or you'll break the bank. 10 calories. Using my clothing envelope example, let's assume I have decided it's reasonable to add $100 to my clothing category every month. 2 You'll see all your dollars still To be Budgeted. Agent99 Okay, but respectfully, if they're not able to track down overspends on credit at month's end causing their credit card payment categories to get out of sync, they're not ready to have a tool like the red arrow. YNAB is very focused on your plans for every single bit of money that you have at any given moment. If you want to keep things "together", you can record a split transaction in the CC account: Net: $900 Split 1: Transfer from Checking $900 outflow Split 2: Transfer from the Tracking account $100 inflow categorized as TBB Split 3: $100 outflow categorized as TBB. Tiiiiime keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’ … into the futuuuurreee. When they repay me I record that income as ‘work to be repaid ‘, not as TBB. My store brand has a diet cola, caffeine-free diet cola, Diet Dr Pepper knock-off, and a Coke Zero knock-off. Rww Any debt is shown in the difference between your card balance and the amount you have available to pay that card in your budget. So you're actually right that it's not necessary that it be there. However, I appreciate your help and the always fast response. I understand it's not your preference, and you liked the way you were using it before, but this was a conscious decision on the part of the developers not to allow anyone to use their product that way anymore. THANK YOU! If there's an automatic/elegant way to do it I haven't figured it out yet either. That's what the Move Money tool do for you. In May my work pays for part of that, about 220KD (different currency) as part of my salary package. It will track more than 30 days if you link your accounts. You get paid, and distribute that throughout the budget, including $100 in the CC Payment category. Re the actual topic, YNAB used to say they were primarily about the method. If I overspend in one month this is not carried forward, so the following month I have to remember that, or just have it deducted from TBB which means I'm not easily managing my intended monthly spend for a particular category. For example, if there's $10 in the spending category and you spend $20, $10 moves to the credit card payment category, and the spending category ends up as -$10. Let's go through the process if you had real envelopes. That way, you don’t have to time paychecks for parts of your budget. In YNAB that means you subtract $30 from the Budgeted column of the groceries category and add $30 to the eating out category. Shouldn't these categories with the carried over $ be green? YNAB does not carry over that overspending to the new month -- that money has been spent. jenmas Thank you. I'm paid once a month at the end of the month, so I used my July paycheque to fully fund all my August categories, so I have no orange. A thoughtful and detailed answer is highly appreciated. They discovered people were using it to lie to themselves about the true state of their budget, so decided to eliminate it. Yikes! If I want to budget £300 per month for clothes, and spend a bit more / bit less some months, there is no easy way to do this with clarity. Coke Zero became Coke Zero Sugar a while back, but the caffeine-free version took a little while to run out and have them start stocking the new formula. You Need a Budget. the amount in the envelope is the Available column. To be clear, the mindset is that you are not paying for the Home Furnishing on installment -- you are paying for debt on installment. Ceeses Thanks for the detailed and thoughtful response. If what's left unfunded is truly a lower priority, you should be OK without it for an indefinite period of time. It doesn't matter when you receive your next paycheck, you'll know exactly where those dollars are needed as soon as they're in your account. YNAB doesn't describe that in the Support Documentation, and most people don't think of it on their own. If you're carrying no debt, the amount you have available to pay down the card and the card's balance should always be equal (for example, balance is -$500, and you have +$500 available to pay the card.). And the iOS app is superior to the YNAB 4 iOS app. So you put $100 each month in the "rent" envelope and say $50 each month for the "new car" etc. Faness I budgeted X dollars for a category at the end of last month and need to move that figure to this month. If you get a huge check from the University accompanied by a letter saying ‘here are your tuition expenses ‘, how is it hard to ‘remember’ that’s your tuition expenses? That’s how it works in real life and so that’s how I represent it in my budget. The tracking account balance is now $600. I would strongly urge you to think about things a little differently than it would seem you are at present. :). Yes, but where is the credit debt tracked except buried in the CC account balance? YNAB puts me in an awkward situation. What happens if we bump up the kids' college funds another $50 a month. I used Mint for a year and a half and all I had to show for it was a dozen accounts I didn't need (for goals, don'tcha know) and a mess, because it doesn't allow/force you to roll with the punches. In about February I buy flights to the UK costing around £650 which I record in my UK budget in the ‘flights to the UK’ category. I'm missing something, but living with the orange, like  you said, no way... that will drive me nuts. Each month you repeat this. This is what confuses me most about YNAB: all of the training material and viral hype about the tool promote the idea that you're not budgeting monthly, but rather you're budgeting according to your pay cycle. You should be proud! ), This naturally reduces the amount available elsewhere, but that is the case with any high priority category (e.g., Rent/Mortgage). I've not heard of YNAB mentioning any solutions to date, and they've been completely silent on the issue since they mentioned way back when that they were going to address it. There's nothing wrong with beginning again. adriana01 for example, if you buy the SodaStream version of Coke Zero (as opposed to their version of Diet Coke; they're different), or a store brand version. 3 Follow the same prioritization sequence you used in the current month, budgeting until To be Budgeted is $0.00. Sometimes, you've budgeted for an upcoming expense and need to carry that balance forward to next month. They appear to have dropped this (and other useful features) in the new web version. YNAB wipes out negative categories at the month changeover, so it's easy to forget that you are owed money with the category-only approach. In short, it is ok to take more money out of an envelope than you put in during that month or paycycle. But for an envelope like "new car", you want to accumulate month after month, so month 1 the envelope will have $50, then month 2 there will be $100, etc. Things that break the method (in their opinion) aren't likely to get added. Your categories tell you how much you can spend from them right now. … One day—probably more than one day—but less than 32 days after you’ve been using You Need a Budget (okay, definitely less, definitely), you’re going to start a new month in YNAB and the old month is going to roll over.And, with the new month, new YNABers across the land watch the budget screen in YNAB zooming forward into the now. so let’s say you have a non-savings category for groceries. I hear everyone who says the Red Arrow in v4 was wrong and people were abusing it. It's like they want us to set rigid budgets for every single thing, every month, and spend our time constantly re-balancing this. You can go back to view last month's budget or forward to next month's budget. YNAB wants you to distribute the capital as you go along, every month, in and out of every category, which is tiresome. Also it’s actually pretty offensive given the connotations. At any point in the month, we can easily see how much money we have remaining in each category. But the software works just fine without ever referring to it--you can use the move money tool to move money from TBB to categories and from one category to another. I thought it was clear that YNAB is not in the same league as organizations that are commonly recognized to be cults. I have discovered that it forces me into a monthly framework, which seems to prevent me from budgeting by pay cycle. Happy New Year! In lieu of incurring interest for our employers, we either 1) seed our categories before spending for a planned reimbursable expense, or 2) spend, cover from another category, turn the month over, accept the reimbursement, and disburse the covered funds back to their original category(ies) in the appropriate amount. mamster perfect. Meanwhile, at work, I periodically buy stuff for school. Rww I really don’t understand this complaint. I just tell YNAB that new income will cover my “over” spending. In the mobile app, this is available by tapping on the lightning bolt symbol. You need money for rent, so you take an envelope and write "rent" on it and put whatever you need in the envelope (e.g $100). Then, towards the end of the month, an old pal comes by and wants to catch up. Again, the average user just won't do this. Why not just have the available column? What happens if we buy a house at Y amount, selling our current house at X amount. dakinemaui; dakinemaui; 4 wk ago; Reported - view; Gold Wrench Have you tried offsetting the category? Iremember that there was a way to carry over the budget to the next month so I don't have to start off with zero in every category and then adjust. If you overspent on a credit card, last month’s category balance will display in orange, and the amount that … That is absolutely fine, it simply means you took more money out of this category on that month than you put in. 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